[1]: Once the conference is over, I'll separate each presentation out into separate videos, but I'm busy at the moment with filming the current presentations :).
froh 13 hours ago [-]
the purpose (from the paper):
> texlode, the browser-based book editor built
on this architecture, is scheduled for public release in
October 2026. It provides collaborative editing via
conflict-free replicated data types (CRDTs), manu-
script import from Word, proceedings management,
cover design tools, and print-ready PDF output iden-
tical to standard LuaLATEX. The accompanying con-
ference talk demonstrates the editor in action. For
details: texlode.com.
and also:
> (section) 6 Comparison to Typst
FullGarden_S 8 hours ago [-]
This is great but I feel like the potential is underused.
I know its a lot of work but I think we all could desperately use an interactive LaTeX notebook instead of limiting it to only the PDF backend and this work helps a lot with achieving that endeavour. Though it'll be limited to LuaTeX, it'll still be quite something.
pjmlp 7 hours ago [-]
Back in the 90's, one of my professors had such software on Solaris.
The experience was just like using Word, but with LaTeX.
Unfortunately not the kind of stuff the vi and emacs folks care about.
I don't remember the name, this one also looks cool.
VorpalWay 14 hours ago [-]
> Benchmarks show that per-paragraph recompilation achieves O(1) latency, constant regardless of document size, whereas Typst’s [3] incremental compilation scales linearly (O(n)).
> The tradeoff is temporary inconsistency: pages the user is not viewing may lag until a background
compile converges, [...]
There doesn't seem to be any reason functionality like this couldn't also be added to Typst though. In general the authors of this paper seem dismissive of typst, but Typst also fixes so many other things about LaTeX, like the awful syntax. Not sure why they act like that.
gucci-on-fleek 3 hours ago [-]
> There doesn't seem to be any reason functionality like this couldn't also be added to Typst though.
Correct, and the paper author even suggested that they could add that in their presentation earlier today [0].
> In general the authors of this paper seem dismissive of typst, but Typst also fixes so many other things about LaTeX, like the awful syntax. Not sure why they act like that.
Well this was a presentation at a (La)TeX conference [1], and this is a preprint for a (La)TeX journal [2], so this specific audience is more interested in hearing about extensions to LaTeX than about Typst. (This certainly isn't a requirement though—we've happily accepted articles and presentations about non-TeX software, since we always like to hear about what's going on elsewhere)
The answer is fairly obvious, Typst (like ConTeXt) is not LaTeX. Typst is a perfectly fine solution if you're giving the typeset output (i.e. a PDF) to someone, it not a solution if you need to give the document source to someone (if the person expects LaTeX, or .doc(x), or some other format). Many of the issues people raise with LaTeX are due to needing to pass on the document source to someone (otherwise you could use whatever packages or engines you wanted), but that is fundamental to interoperability and why LaTeX (and Markdown) stick around.
SkiFire13 5 hours ago [-]
> There doesn't seem to be any reason functionality like this couldn't also be added to Typst though.
If I have to guess it's because the temporal inconsistency tradeoff can actually affect the current page too, since it might depend on the previous pages for layout, references, etc etc.
Typst on the other hand aims to have no inconsistencies due to incremental compilation.
nicce 13 hours ago [-]
> Not sure why they act like that.
They seem to launch paid competitor.
xvilka 8 hours ago [-]
Looks like layout/format of this PDF is heavily broken - line overflows and out of the context/layout line at the end...
gucci-on-fleek 3 hours ago [-]
This is (surprisingly) intentional; see my other comment [0].
unfortunately the pdf itself has some typesetting issues. Whats about all those overflowing boxes and the small black boxes all over the document?
gucci-on-fleek 3 hours ago [-]
You can't tell from the URL, but this link is to a preprint [0], and the bad boxes there are intentional, since we compile all the preprints in draft mode [1]. The final article will be published some time in August [2], and should be perfectly typeset.
No mention of TikZ. Realtime TikZ would be really useful to me. I will wait and see what their https://texlode.com service is like for that.
gucci-on-fleek 3 hours ago [-]
The author said that TikZ works correctly in a message during their presentation [0]:
> 3:27:36 @lodepublishing : I have tested tikz but not yet tcolorbox. TikZ works, with some wiring.
But a different tool was posted here a few weeks ago with real-time support for TikZ [1] if you're interested in something that you can use immediately.
Typst taking 300ms to do 300 pages cannot be seen as 4FPS - you don't treat the sum of 300 pages as single frame, LOL. And laying out a single paragraph is not 1ms for a whole document either. The paper is otherwise pretty good, but these rhetorics are probably not necessary, IMO.
pama 9 hours ago [-]
It is no rhetoric. It is the time spent when working interactively on a thesis project with one software vs the other.
mproud 11 hours ago [-]
Personally, I am enjoying using Typst.
astrobiased 10 hours ago [-]
Same, so much in fact that I have used it for my website now and it works beautifully for graphics and formulas.
[0]: https://www.youtube.com/live/6riWbnT0grs?si=zIePpHrC6TEZpc_I... (starts at 2:52:46) [1]
[1]: Once the conference is over, I'll separate each presentation out into separate videos, but I'm busy at the moment with filming the current presentations :).
> texlode, the browser-based book editor built on this architecture, is scheduled for public release in October 2026. It provides collaborative editing via conflict-free replicated data types (CRDTs), manu- script import from Word, proceedings management, cover design tools, and print-ready PDF output iden- tical to standard LuaLATEX. The accompanying con- ference talk demonstrates the editor in action. For details: texlode.com.
and also:
> (section) 6 Comparison to Typst
I know its a lot of work but I think we all could desperately use an interactive LaTeX notebook instead of limiting it to only the PDF backend and this work helps a lot with achieving that endeavour. Though it'll be limited to LuaTeX, it'll still be quite something.
The experience was just like using Word, but with LaTeX.
Unfortunately not the kind of stuff the vi and emacs folks care about.
Although LyX comes close.
[0]: https://bakoma-tex.daniel-aldrich.ca/home
> The tradeoff is temporary inconsistency: pages the user is not viewing may lag until a background compile converges, [...]
There doesn't seem to be any reason functionality like this couldn't also be added to Typst though. In general the authors of this paper seem dismissive of typst, but Typst also fixes so many other things about LaTeX, like the awful syntax. Not sure why they act like that.
Correct, and the paper author even suggested that they could add that in their presentation earlier today [0].
> In general the authors of this paper seem dismissive of typst, but Typst also fixes so many other things about LaTeX, like the awful syntax. Not sure why they act like that.
Well this was a presentation at a (La)TeX conference [1], and this is a preprint for a (La)TeX journal [2], so this specific audience is more interested in hearing about extensions to LaTeX than about Typst. (This certainly isn't a requirement though—we've happily accepted articles and presentations about non-TeX software, since we always like to hear about what's going on elsewhere)
[0]: https://www.youtube.com/live/6riWbnT0grs?si=2ls7VrAIE9WCU5kK... (starts at 3:12:09)
[1]: https://tug.org/tug2026/
[2]: https://tug.org/TUGboat/
If I have to guess it's because the temporal inconsistency tradeoff can actually affect the current page too, since it might depend on the previous pages for layout, references, etc etc.
Typst on the other hand aims to have no inconsistencies due to incremental compilation.
They seem to launch paid competitor.
[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48966387
[0]: https://tug.org/tug2026/program.html#:~:text=Clemens%C2%A0Lo...
[1]: https://tug.org/tug2026/cfp.html#preprints
[2]: https://tug.org/TUGboat/#:~:text=vol%2E47%2C%20no%2E2%20%28T...
> 3:27:36 @lodepublishing : I have tested tikz but not yet tcolorbox. TikZ works, with some wiring.
But a different tool was posted here a few weeks ago with real-time support for TikZ [1] if you're interested in something that you can use immediately.
[0]: https://www.youtube.com/live/6riWbnT0grs
[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48645437